Conclusions About The Middle East Peace Process

Fritz Edlinger, General Secretary of Society of Austro-Arab Relations wrote: “A Fritz Edlingerfew days before the recent meeting of the Council of the European Foreign Ministers on Dec. 13 2010, 26 very prominent European ex-politicians confronted the EU with the demand for a significant toughening of the European Middle East policy. Unfortunately, the decisions of the EU foreign ministers hardly correspond with these demands. The EU has appealed for the n-th time to the Israeli government to take responsibility for legal obligations under international humanitarian law, for example in connection with the construction of settlements. This statement (of the EU) is most disappointing and unfortunately proves once again the degree of helplessness of the European Middle East policy. With this newsletter we distribute the “Call of the 26” and the statement of EU foreign ministers. The full letter is below.

Letter to the President of the European Council

TO: Herman van Rompuy, President of the European Council (dated 2 December 2010)

Lady Catherine Ashton, High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/First Vice-President of the European

Commission (dated 2 December 2010)

CC: EU Heads of Government (dated 6 December 2010)

EU Ministers of Foreign Affairs (dated 6 December 2010)

FROM: European Former Leaders Group (EFLG)

RE: Application of Council Conclusions on the Middle East Peace Process

The year 2011 will be of critical importance in determining the fate of the Middle East, perhaps for many years to come.

On 8 December 2009 the Foreign Affairs Council of the European Union adopted a set of twelve ‘Council conclusions on the Middle East peace process’. The resulting document, essentially a collective European blueprint for resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict, set out the requirements for a comprehensive peace, inclusive of ‘a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict’, in a clear and concise manner. It also identified a number of benchmarks. The Council further recognized that Middle East peace ‘is a fundamental interest’ of not only the parties in the region, but also of the European Union itself. With this statement, the EU attracted considerable interest and raised expectations about its ability to advance the peace process. It formulated in effect what the overall international community, including the current administration of the United States, apparently believes is right.

From the left: Chris Patten, Hubert Védrine, Guiliano Amato, Andreas van Agt

It is now one year on and we appear to be no closer to a resolution of this conflict. To the contrary, developments on the ground, primarily Israel’s continuation of settlement activity in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) including in East Jerusalem, pose an existential threat to the prospects of establishing a sovereign, contiguous and viable Palestinian state also embracing Gaza, and therefore pose a commensurate threat to a two-state solution to the conflict.

Given this situation and the urgent need for action, we consider it a matter of fundamental credibility that the Council revisit the principles and requirements it enunciated in December 2009 and establish the next steps forward at its meeting scheduled for 13 December 2010. In addition to reconfirming the framework and principles it collectively adopted in December 2009, we consider it vital that the Council should also identify concrete measures to operationalize its agreed policy and thence move to implementation of the agreed objectives. Europe cannot afford that the application of these policy principles be neglected and delayed yet again. Time to secure a sustainable peace is fast running out.

Taking in turn the Conclusions reached by the Council in December 2009, we articulate below ways and means to translate these into actual policy.

From the left: Roland Dumas, Hervé De Charrette, Hans van den Broek, Laurens Jan Brinkhorst

From the left: Roland Dumas, Hervé De Charrette, Hans van den Broek, Laurens Jan Brinkhorst

1. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The Council of the European Union is seriously concerned about the lack of progress in the Middle East peace process. The European Union calls for the urgent resumption of negotiations that will lead, within an agreed time-frame, to a two-state solution with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. A comprehensive peace, which is a fundamental interest of the parties in the region and the EU, must be achieved on the basis of the relevant UN Security Council Resolutions, the Madrid principles including land for peace, the Roadmap, the agreements previously reached by the parties and the Arab Peace Initiative.

We welcomed the resumption of bilateral negotiations under American auspices in September 2010. Only a negotiated two-state solution will allow the security needs of both sides to be met. It gives us great concern however that the current talks lack a clear framework or terms of reference, and stalled almost as soon as they commenced, primarily on account of continued settlement construction by Israel.
Even if inducements to Israel to resume a partial settlement freeze for a limited period of time (such as the supply of sophisticated military equipment) enable talks to proceed, there is no guarantee that these will produce a substantive agreement resolving the conflict within the next year. Moreover these inducements include measures that Palestinians may well believe would limit their sovereignty in any final agreement.
It is eminently clear that without a rapid and dramatic move to halt the ongoing deterioration of the situation on the ground, a two-state solution, which forms the one and only available option for a peaceful resolution of this conflict, will be increasingly difficult to attain.

From the left: Felipe Gonzales, Benita Ferrero-Waldner, Lena Hjelm-Wallén, Lionel Jospin

We believe this is a matter of utmost concern. We therefore recommend that the EU, in cooperation with the United States, United Nations, Russian Federation, League of Arab States and other interested parties, should put forward a concrete and comprehensive proposal for the resolution of this conflict, that includes a clear time frame for the successful conclusion of these negotiations on the basis of longstanding principles agreed by the above parties and the international community as a whole.

We believe the EU should at the December 2010 Council meeting set a date at which it will take further action. It could for example say that if there is no progress by its next meeting scheduled for April 2011, this will leave the Council with no alternative but to refer the matter to the international community to enable the latter to lead efforts to define a vision and strategy for a resolution of this conflict.

2. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The Council reconfirms its support for the United States’ efforts to resume negotiations on all final status issues, including borders, Jerusalem, refugees, security and water, respecting previous agreements and understandings. The European Union will not recognise any changes to the pre-1967 borders including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties. The Council reiterates the EU’s readiness to contribute substantially to post-conflict arrangements, aimed at ensuring the sustainability of peace agreements, and will continue the work undertaken on EU contributions on state-building, regional issues, refugees, security and Jerusalem. The Council underlines the need for a reinvigorated Quartet engagement and notes the crucial importance of an active Arab contribution building on the Arab Peace Initiative.

As indicated here the EU is committed to contributing substantially to peace-building and reinforcement once the parties are agreed on the details. However, the Government of Israel continues to undertake unilateral measures on the ground that will prejudge the outcome if not prevent the possibility of substantive negotiations on many of the final status issues identified above.
In response to these measures, we recommend that the EU reiterate its position that it will not recognize any changes to the June 1967 boundaries, and clarify that a Palestinian state should be in sovereign control over territory equivalent to 100% of the territory occupied in 1967, including its capital in East Jerusalem. Only minor and reciprocal amendments as may be agreed between the parties themselves could legitimately be recognised.

3. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The EU stands ready to further develop its bilateral relations with the Palestinian Authority reflecting shared interests, including in the framework of the European Neighborhood Policy. Recalling the Berlin declaration, the Council also reiterates its support for negotiations leading to Palestinian statehood, all efforts and steps to that end and its readiness, when appropriate, to recognise a Palestinian state. It will continue to assist Palestinian state-building, including through its CSDP missions and within the Quartet. The EU fully supports the implementation of the Palestinian Authority’s Government Plan “Palestine, Ending the Occupation, Establishing the State” as an important contribution to this end and will work for enhanced international support for this plan.

The Palestinian Authority has made impressive progress in the implementation of its Government Plan and the development of the infrastructure of a Palestinian state. EU support and assistance has been vital to this success. To date, the EU and member states have invested some EUR 8 billion in the peace process, primarily in the form of assistance to the Palestinian Authority, Palestinian institutions, and the development of infrastructure in the OPT. By continuing to be the primary donor to this work, the EU underlines the vital European interest in the establishment of a Palestinian state and the implementation of a two-state solution.

Because the Palestinian Authority exists and operates under Israeli military occupation, the Palestinians cannot be expected to establish their state without further international assistance, political as well as economic.
It is therefore our strong belief that the EU needs to act more pro-actively in its relations with the US, Israel and others to promote the fulfillment of this objective.

4. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
Recalling the EU’s position as expressed at the Association Council in June 2009, the Council reaffirms its readiness to further develop its bilateral relations with Israel within the framework of the ENP. The EU reiterates its commitment towards the security of Israel and its full integration into the region, which is best guaranteed through peace between Israel and its neighbours.

During the past twelve months, the EU has continued to develop its bilateral relations with Israel within the framework of the ENP, with additional support provided in other fora, such as Israel’s accession to the OECD. Yet Israel has continued with settlement construction in the OPT, including East Jerusalem, and refused to negotiate seriously on terminating occupation and the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state.

The EU has always maintained that settlements are illegal, but has not attached any consequences for continued and systematic Israeli settlement expansion in the OPT, including East Jerusalem.

We therefore strongly believe that the EU must make absolutely clear that enhancement or upgrading of the EU-Israel Association Agreement and other bilateral agreements and programs will not occur unless settlements are frozen.

We furthermore recommend in the strongest possible terms that the EU examine the legal implications for the EU of the continued application of bilateral agreements by Israel to Israelis and Israeli entities in the OPT, i.e. to areas outside the internationally recognized boundaries of the State of Israel. We consider it necessary that the EU add safeguard clauses to these agreements which rule out their application to Occupied Territories, to ensure that entities prohibited by international law and considered unlawful by EU policy, such as settlements, are excluded from European privileges and will not be promoted and legitimized by their provision. We consider it necessary that the EU bring an end to the import of settlement products which are, in contradiction with EU labeling regulations, marketed as originating in Israel. We consider it simply inexplicable that such products still enjoy benefits under preferential trade agreements between the EU and Israel.

5. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
Encouraging further concrete confidence building measures, the Council takes positive note of the recent decision of the Government of Israel on a partial and temporary settlement freeze as a first step in the right direction and hopes that it will contribute towards a resumption of meaningful negotiations.

The partial and temporary suspension of settlement construction by the Government of Israel expired in September 2010, and Israel has since then either resumed or announced construction of approximately 2,000 new settlement units, particularly in East Jerusalem and its environs.
The EU has stated unequivocally for decades that the settlements in the OPT are illegal, but Israel continues to build them. Like any other state, Israel should be held accountable for its actions. It is the credibility of the EU that is at stake.

6. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
Developments on the ground play a crucial part in creating the context for successful negotiations. The Council reiterates that settlements, the separation barrier where built on occupied land, demolition of homes and evictions are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution impossible. The Council urges the government of Israel to immediately end all settlement activities, in East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank and including natural growth, and to dismantle all outposts erected since March 2001.

The EU position could not be clearer, but – as we have argued above − failure to act accordingly, in the face of contraventions and disregard by Israel, undermines the EU and its credibility in upholding international law.

7. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The EU welcomes Israel’s steps to ease restrictions of movement in the West Bank which have made a contribution to economic growth. The Council calls for further and sustained improvements of movement and access, noting that many check points and road blocks remain in place. The Council also calls on the Palestinian Authority to build on its efforts to improve law and order.

In respect of this Conclusion, the Council should indicate the extent to which it deems the parties to have met or fallen short of meeting their respective roles in enabling development of the Palestinian economy and the maintenance of law and order within the OPT.

8. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The Council is deeply concerned about the situation in East Jerusalem. In view of recent incidents, it calls on all parties to refrain from provocative actions. The Council recalls that it has never recognised the annexation of East Jerusalem. If there is to be a genuine peace, a way must be found through negotiations to resolve the status of Jerusalem as the future capital of two states. The Council calls for the reopening of Palestinian institutions in Jerusalem in accordance with the Roadmap. It also calls on the Israeli government to cease all discriminatory treatment of Palestinians in East Jerusalem.

The situation in East Jerusalem has continued to deteriorate during the past year with, for example, forced evictions of Palestinian families from their homes, and today represents the most critical flash-point and greatest threat to a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

We therefore believe that a high-level EU delegation led by the High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy and including EU foreign ministers should visit East Jerusalem as a matter of urgency to draw attention to the erosion of the Palestinian presence there, and report back to the EU with an agenda of proposals to arrest and reverse the deterioration of the situation on the ground.

9. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
Gravely concerned about the situation in Gaza, the Council urges the full implementation of UNSCR 1860 and the full respect of international humanitarian law. In this context, the continued policy of closure is unacceptable and politically counterproductive. It has devastated the private sector economy and damaged the natural environment, notably water and other natural resources. The EU again reiterates its calls for an immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of crossings for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from Gaza. In this context, the Council calls for the full implementation of the Agreement on Movement and Access. While extremists stand to gain from the current situation, the civilian population, half of which are under the age of 18, suffers. Fully recognising Israel’s legitimate security needs, the Council continues to call for a complete stop to all violence and arms smuggling into Gaza. The Council calls on those holding the abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit to release him without delay.

Having deemed the closure of the Gaza Strip ‘unacceptable and counterproductive’ and called for ‘full implementation of the Agreement on Movement and Access’ the EU should now find ways to open Gaza’s borders for normal trade, including between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Nowhere in the Council Conclusions of 2009 does the Council make such steps conditional on resolution of internal Palestinian disagreements over border controls. The EU could therefore take the lead on finding a temporary solution, pending the formation of a Palestinian unity government or other form of Palestinian agreement on the management of internal administration in Gaza.

10. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The Council calls on all Palestinians to promote reconciliation behind President Mahmoud Abbas, support for the mediation efforts by Egypt and the Arab League and the prevention of a permanent division between the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza. The Council would welcome the organisation of free and fair Palestinian elections when conditions permit.

The EU could contribute to a resolution of Palestinian disagreements by stressing that it is keen to promote a democratic Palestinian society through a process of nation-building (rather than state and institution building only) and by spelling out positive ways in which the formation of a Palestinian unity government inclusive of all parties committed to a ceasefire would be greeted, with development assistance flowing equally to Gaza and the West Bank.

11. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
A comprehensive peace must include a settlement between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. Concerning the Syrian track, the EU welcomes recent statements by Israel and Syria confirming their willingness to advance towards peace and supports all efforts aimed at the reactivation of the talks between the two countries.

In addition to re-iterating the substance of this Conclusion, the EU could also warn of the potential for the current crisis in Lebanon to spiral out of control and identify ways to help avert this.

12. As stated by the Council in December 2009:
The EU recalls that a comprehensive settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict requires a regional approach and will continue its work on this in line with the June 2009 Council Conclusions using all its instruments to this effect. The EU also calls on all regional actors to take confidence building measures in order to stimulate mutual trust and encourages Arab countries to be forthcoming, both politically and financially, in assisting the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian refugees through UNRWA.

In conclusion, our Group wishes to point out that EU investment in building the foundations for a two state solution over the past two decades was very substantial, not least in terms of EU tax-payers’ money. The EU should take what measures it can to justify this investment and act in Europe’s genuine interest, but if no political progress is made, further expenditure − apart from that on humanitarian purposes − would be nugatory. In these circumstances Israel should be required to shoulder its obligations as the occupying power. But wider issues matter more than wasted expenditure. At stake are not only EU relations with the parties directly involved in the conflict but also with the wider Arab community, with which the EU enjoys positive diplomatic and trade relations.

We believe that many Arabs and prominent Israelis would like the EU to take a more active role in resolving the conflict and put its stated position into effect. Senior figures in the United States are also signaling to us that the best way to help President Obama’s efforts is to put a price tag on attitudes and policies that run counter to the positions that the US president himself has advocated. We see increased expectations everywhere that Europe will live up to its commitments and actively seek to share the responsibility with other members of the international community in working towards justice and peace at this critical moment.

Former Vice-President of the European Commission Chris Patten (co-chair), Former Foreign Minister Hubert Védrine (co-chair), Former Prime Minister Andreas van Agt, Former Finance Minister and former Vice-President of the European Commission Frans Andriessen, Former Prime Minister Guiliano Amato, Former Minister and Former Vice-Prime Minister Laurens Jan Brinkhorst, Former Foreign Minister and former EU Commissioner Hans van den Broek, Former Foreign Minister Hervé De Charrette, Former Foreign Minister Roland Dumas, Former European Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner, Former Prime Minister Felipe Gonzales, Former Foreign Minister Teresa Patricio Gouveia, Former Deputy Prime Minister Lena Hjelm-Wallén, Former Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, Former Minister and Senator Jean Francois-Poncet, Former President of the EU Commission and former Prime Minister Romano Prodi, Former President Mary Robinson, Chairman Swedish Social Democratic Party Mona Sahlin, Former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, Former Minister and Member of Parliament Clare Short, Former High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy Javier Solana, Former Prime Minister Thorvald Stoltenberg, Former Director-General of the WTO Peter D. Sutherland, Former Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, Former President Vaira Vike-Freiberga, Former President Richard von Weizsäcker.

30 comments to Conclusions About The Middle East Peace Process

  • Two state solution will never work. It is a scam to keep the invading criminal Zionists in power. Full return of Palestinians to a one state non-theocratic Palestine is the only just solution.

    Also see:

    The Palestinian Right of Return


  • all these words sound good,like human rights ,freedom,liberty, equality but mean nothing in relation to non europeans in general around the world who live in in constant fear for they lives from tin pot dictators supported by western world!

    how can you palestinians hope to have justice from those who imposed this problem on you?

    I wish it was possible to resolve your dilemma with the zionist jews by the E.U. but i doubt it, power only respects power not weakness, the zionist jews know that you are weak and do accordingly what they can to you in all manner of inhumanity!

    Justice to the palestinians will never come from the europeans or americans or russians for that matter, history has proven that again and again. the wily devilish zionist jew has all the aces in his hand against you, he has subverted all european power institutions and american. nothing can be done without they say so by cowardly, impotent, foolish western european christians who are too busy creating problems around the world for economic gains in league with the devilish zionists—- they masters!

    unless and until all money input to israel is stopped and they military degraded, you palestinians have no chance to achiev your just ends!

    it totally amazes me, that your very future is at stake and little quisling goblins pop up aiding the enemy among your midst???
    i pray that you palestinians achieve justice and security, i love to see little children able to laugh and play anywhere in the holy land of all faiths without fear, i suggest that you save the areas currently contaminated with israeli industrial waste and poisons be saved for the zionist jews and they familys to live in when you get your country back,inshallah!

  • joe

    I cant for the life of me understand why the Palestinian Authority still regards the U. S. as an honest broker.The U.S. is merely a zionist gopher and water-boy.Like Alfred Lillienthal wrote over three decades ago,its a case of the tail wagging the dog.U. S. politicians,wittingly or unwittingly,are traitors to their own people and electorate as they continue to put the interests of a foreign country (and a criminal entity which is the rsult of pre-planned ethnic cleansing and a rogue state which is the world record-holder of U.N. resolution violations at that)over that of their own.Nothing will become of these “peace talkls” as the Israeli leadership has always been dishonest and has just used previous occasions for further land-grabs.

  • Zionazi Psychozoid Psychophants = BAD FAITH. Whether in Europe or in the Zionist Occupied Washingtoon Deceived. The Holy Land should be Holy from the practice of Good Faith. [redacted]. Even before May 1948, and before the ASHKENAZIM proselytes to Talmudic Judaism in 740 AD. Just the facts. For readers of Kawthers’ site who do not know about Issa Nakhleh, please read the Encyclopedia of The Palestine Problem, for a more perfect record of the problem in Palestine. In Europe see the history of he Rothschilds, and the “Central Banks”. Inshallah, and TRUTH PREVAILS….even if the Mass Murderers printing currency find that offensive….

  • Dean Jackson

    Steve writes:

    “Two state solution will never work. It is a scam to keep the invading criminal Zionists in power. Full return of Palestinians to a one state non-theocratic Palestine is the only just solution.”

    The Zionists never invaded Ottoman Syria, it was the British and the French who invaded Ottoman Syria AFTER the Ottoman Empire joined the Central Powers in World War 1. The victorious Allies then created national homelands for the Christians (Lebanon), the ‘Arab Kingdom’ (Syria, Iraq and later Jordan), and the Jews, today’s Israel.

    There was no administrative entity known as Palestine before World War 1. The territory was called Syria, which was sub-divided into several administrative districts. Palestine was an area that straddled two of these administrative districts, namely the ‘Vilayet of Beirut’ and the Mutasarrifiyet of Jerusalem’. As a matter of fact, the area called Palestine reached all the up into the ‘Vilayet of Beirut’ to the city of Beirut itself.

    So, Steve, why aren’t you demanding the return of Palestine located in the southern half of Lebanon?

    By the way, there were no ‘Palestinians’ before the Ottoman Empire collapsed during World War I, and after the war the term Palestinian was originally used to refer to Jews because Palestine was supposed to go to the Jews.

    Now, Palestine originally included Jordan. Months after the 1920 San Remo Conference, the British took Jordan away from the Jews and made it a national homeland for the Arabs who lived east of the Jordan River.

    If you remember your history, the area west of the Jordan River the British called Palestine, which was promised to the Jews as their national homeland. That is the proof that the term ‘Palestinian’ was coined to refer to Jews.

    It seems everyone who comments here forgets that Jordan was supposed to be the homeland for the Arabs who lived in Palestine, and that Palestine also includes half of modern day Lebanon! In the link below, take a look at Palestine between 1923-1948 according to the Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs (PASSIA):

    See, it includes Jordan!

    I’m afraid many of those in the so-called progressive movement have been seriously manipulated when it comes to Israel, which isn’t to say that Israel doesn’t violate international law in its treatment of ‘Palestinians’, or to deny that Israel does not use false flag operations. Israel does (as do all nations use false flag operations), but that does not mean Israel’s right to exist is open to question. It isn’t. Due to the blundering of the Ottoman Empire, Israel is a legal entity, as is Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan.

  • Dean Jackson

    Correction (missing word) to my last comment: “As a matter of fact, the area called Palestine reached all the WAY up into the ‘Vilayet of Beirut’ to the city of Beirut itself.

  • Palestine has existed for millennia. The Romans therefore referred to it as Palestine. The Arab people who live there have always known it as Palestine. What Ottoman Turks call something outside of their own country doesn’t matter, but even they knew it was Palestine. It is Palestine. It is a racist genocidal lie from a group of Zionist Jews which they devised in 19th century Europe to say that Palestine and therefore Palestinians don’t exist.


    The Palestinian Right of Return
    December 11, 2010

    The Returning Issue of Palestine’s Refugees

    Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
    – United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194, 11 December 1948

    It’s 62 years since the UN passed a resolution on the rights of Palestinian refugees – rights Israel must recognise for peace

    By Saeb Erekat

    Before his murder in 1948, Lord Folke Bernadotte, the first UN mediator to the Arab- Israeli conflict, stated: “It would be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent [Palestinian] victims of the conflict were denied the right to return to their homes, while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine.” Lord Bernadotte paid for his candour with his life as Jewish militants assassinated him under the direction of Yitzhak Shamir, the man who would later become prime minister of Israel.

    Less than three months after his death, as the war of 1948 ground to a close, and nearly three-quarters of the entire indigenous Palestinian population had been displaced by Israeli forces, the UN passed general assembly resolution 194, calling for the return of Palestinian refugees to their homes and to be awarded compensation for their losses.

    On Saturday, 62 years will have passed without this historic resolution being implemented despite being upheld by the UN with nearly universal consensus ever since. In fact, Israel’s own admission as a member to the United Nations was contingent on its adherence to the principles of UNGA 194, something it proceeded to disregard once membership was granted.

    Contrary to what Israeli political figures would like the world to believe, the issue of Palestinian refugees is not an academic matter, the solution of which is somehow rendered moot by the passage of time and by the creation of Israeli “facts on the ground.” Palestinian displacement continues to this day through the revocation of residency cards, land confiscation, home demolitions and evictions. At the same time, Israel has barred Palestinians displaced between 1947 and 1949, and again in 1967, from returning to their homes or receiving restitution for their lost property, making Palestinian refugees the oldest and largest refugee community in the world today.

    The fact that Israel bears responsibility for the creation of the refugees is beyond argument. Even if the state still claims amnesia for its deeds, Israeli historians have debunked the traditional Zionist mythology and shown how Zionist leaders prior to 1948 formulated plans to displace the indigenous Palestinian population in order to create a Jewish majority state. Such a state would have been impossible without the mass expulsion of Palestinians, given that Palestinians constituted a majority in every district of historic Palestine prior to 1948 and also owned over 90% of the land.

    Even if we accept the Israeli narrative that refugees left voluntarily – which has been proven false for the vast majority – there is no doubt about the fact that when refugees attempted to return according to their legal right, they were blocked by newly drafted Israeli legislation and declared infiltrators on their own property.

    This period of dispossession, known to Palestinians as al-Nakba or “the catastrophe”, is the seminal Palestinian experience and source of our collective identity. In fact, the current Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, is himself a refugee displaced from the city of Safed during the 1948 war when he was only 13-years-old.

    Today, Palestinian refugees constitute more than 7 million people worldwide – 70% of the entire Palestinian population. Disregarding their legitimate legal rights enshrined in international law, their understandable grievances accrued over prolonged displacement, and their aspirations to return to their homeland, would certainly make any peace deal signed with Israel completely untenable.

    In accordance with past Israeli-Arab agreements based on UN resolutions – most significantly the Egypt-Israeli Camp David Accords based on UN resolution 242’s formula of land-for-peace – resolution 194 must provide the basis for a settlement to the refugee issue.

    Return and restitution as the remedy of choice has a strong international precedent. For example, in the context of the Dayton Accords, concluded under the auspices of the United States, the return of Bosnian refugees to their homes and restitution of their property was considered a “non-negotiable” right that was critical to crafting a durable solution. American leaders such as Madeleine Albright, then the secretary of state, openly called on Bosnian Muslim refugees to return en masse to their former places of residence.

    In Bosnia and in Palestine, the return of refugees has been considered absolutely necessary for the stability of peace. Any deal that does not respect the rights of refugees has been viewed as bearing the seed of its inevitable failure.

    When negotiations resume once again, the world must not abandon the refugees of Palestine, nor attempt to coerce their representatives to do so either.

    Israel’s recognition of Palestinian refugee rights and its agreement to provide reparation and meaningful refugee choice in the exercise of these rights will not change the reality in the Middle East overnight, nor will it lead to an existential crisis for Israel. What it will certainly do is mark the beginning of a new reality that will no longer be rooted in repression, denial of rights, and discrimination. In other words, it will lead to a lasting peace – the kind of peace envisaged by Lord Bernadotte and hoped for by Palestinians and Israelis alike.

    Published in The Guardian, 10 December 2010

    God bless you and your family this Christmas, Ms. Salam.


  • mr dean jackson, the jews use the old testament as proof regarding palestine(philistine) as theirs promised by god to them, which was conditional which they never adhered to and as such that promise is null and void in all respects.

    palestine will return to the muslim fold , even the old testament states in book of isaiah that eg:

    the word serve in hebrew means to worship the lord god, now if the jews were to rule this area in perpetuity then there would be war all time because they will reject prophet jesus and prophet mohammed pbuh!

    if christians were to rule it would be the same, because they might accept prophets of old testament but not mohammed pbuh, hence war again.

    it is only as muslims, followers of abraham the true, who can rule this area because we accept all prophets of god in old testament and jesus pbuh plus mohammed pbuh. the jews will come aorund to this belief says they holy book!

    it is only a matter of time– see lectures on this by sheikh imran hosein on youtube or his organisation at for full explanation.

    all those who differ therein with this view, wait and see, this earth belongs to lord of the worlds called Allah and he decides matters of all things. they matter has been already decreed thousands of years ago, its they own unbelief making them blind to that.

    • Dean Jackson

      abubaqar writes:

      “mr dean jackson, the jews use the old testament as proof regarding palestine(philistine) as theirs promised by god to them, which was conditional which they never adhered to and as such that promise is null and void in all respects.”

      I agree many Jews use history to claim modern day Israel. It’s unwise, and in this modern/legal age a sure recipe for disaster. Israel’s right of existence lies in World War 1 and the blundering of the Ottoman Empire. Britain won the territory and created national homelands for all three religions there.

      Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, not just a mortal prophet, so antagonism exists there on the part of Muslims as well. Let’s not blame Christians and Jews for every quarrel in the Levant. Some of the problems in the Levant are also caused by Muslims, or are you saying Muslims are perfect? Maybe close to it, but only God is perfect!

      Also, Christians and Jews never did like being regarded as Dhimmi in Muslim lands, so now Christians and Jews have their own homeland in the Levant.

      There is no need for war between the Jews, Christians and Muslims in the Levant. The end of the Ottoman Empire was God’s will along with the subsequent creation of the Jewish, Christian and Arab homelands. The outcome of World War 1 should have been the final answer to the conflict, not the beginning.

    • Dean Jackson

      Correction: France created the Christian homeland of Lebanon and the Arab homeland of Syria, while the British created the Jewish homeland and the Arab homelands of Jordan and Iraq.

  • Dean Jackson

    Steve writes:

    “Palestine has existed for millennia. The Romans therefore referred to it as Palestine. The Arab people who live there have always known it as Palestine. What Ottoman Turks call something outside of their own country doesn’t matter, but even they knew it was Palestine. It is Palestine. It is a racist genocidal lie from a group of Zionist Jews which they devised in 19th century Europe to say that Palestine and therefore Palestinians don’t exist.”

    Sorry Steve, but Ottoman Syria and the Ottoman Empire were recognized by the Arabs. See below the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence where Hussein discusses Ottoman Syria, but never ONCE mentions Palestine:

    You may also want to do some research on Arab recognition of the Ottoman Empire’s claim over Ottoman Syria. It will burst your bubble!

  • Dean Jackson


    as for the assassination of Lord Folke Bernadotte, that was tragic. As A Catholic, I detest assassination. Needless to say Lord Folke Bernadotte was plying games, for he surely knew that the Arab ‘Palestinians’ were given the land east of the Jordan River (Trans Jordan) as their homeland.

    It seems everyone forgets the history of modern ‘Palestine’, including that the southern half of Lebanon is also Palestine. Why is everyone’s memory so bad when it comes to Israel and the modern day occupation of northern Cyprus by Turkey?

  • It is not about unravelling every smug juvenile lie thrown up by Zionist snide mountebanks.

    It is about a simple truth. Palestine, the Holy Land where our Lord Jesus Christ was born and walked and taught, will be free of the criminal invasion of the vile Zionists parasites.

    Free Palestine!!!

    Baarakul laahu fiik,

    Ma’ assalaamah

    Steve in Vista

  • mr jackson, thank you for your response. any christian has the right to believe what they wish, if they believe jesus was a son of god, then why do they not ask the rabbi,s what does it mean in they language of old??
    it only means a righteous person not literally a son of god as in human biology!
    in the bible jesus is referred to as the son of god, son of david, son of joseph, son of abraham and of course son of mary, why do christians only take and use what suits them out of context to idolize jesus and put him on a pedestal where god belongs and discard the rest???

    what do you call a man who has 4 fathers in your language?

    we muslims are not perfect as you rightly said, but as muslims we are challenging the claim to divinity of jesus by any christian and we explicitly state clearly THERE IS NO VERSE IN ANY BIBLE IN THE WORLD WHERE JESUS STATES HE IS GOD AND TO WORSHIP HIM!
    we ask any christian to prove this claim, this is the teaching of saul the jew who persecuted jesus,s followers who then went on to have a conversion(which i do not believe was true) because everything he teaches is against the teachings of jesus, so the christian is at a variance with his master jesus who told you clearly, that the disciple cannot be the master.
    we respect anyones beliefs as muslims but ask for proof of any claims they make and you have that right of us too!
    peace to all believers in god almighty and his messengers!

    • Dean Jackson


      Contrary to what Muslims believe, Jesus did in fact declare himself God:

      John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” [8] Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” [9] Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father’? [10] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

      John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” [33] “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

      Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” [62] “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

      Unfortunately for Muslims their reading of the New Testament comes from a really bad translation of the text commissioned by the Prophet Muhammad’s wife, Maria al-Qibtiyya, who was a Coptic Christian. Many Christian sects had sprouted up in this general time period that attempted to dilute who Jesus really was. The most famous of these sects was Arianism.

  • mr jackson, the bible clearly states that no man can see the father and live! period. moses asked that to god on sinai and was dazed by thunderbolts and lightning for his presumptions.

    what jesus was referring to is evident in that his mission was for people to have faith in god,jesus as messenger of god( KNOW THAT THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS WHO YOU HAVE SENT)
    wished to keep those people in faith for god for salvation.

    if you read all the verses of what you said mr jackson,who has seen me has seen the father etc. you will note that jesus clearly states his mission which is: WHEN A PERSON ACCEPTS FAITH I AM IN THEM AND GOD IS WITH US , WE IN THEM AND THEY IN US, IN FAITH”

    not in divinity but faith in god, if jesus is god to you because he says god is in me, then the latter verses state clearly he spoke to the doubting thomas too and told him that he is also in me, i in him and god with us!

    does that make doubting thomas god in any way? or the rest of the disciples??

    the teachings you are following are mostly from the roman idolistic world, the early christians never belived jesus as god or son of god, this belief was instituted by the roman emperor constantine who called a council at nicea in 325A.D. as you know. there was 4000 gospels at this meeting present, he chose 4 and destroyed the rest!!!

    this is why the koran states clearly to you in a message”THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS FORGOT A LARGE PART OF THE MESSAGE SENT WITH HIM”

    maria did not translate any bible for mohammed pbuh as far as i am aware, however, from 1611 to 1971 the king james version of the bible has gone through 6 MAJOR revisions by your scholars. in 1971 the revised standard version of the bible was published and lo and behold, it said what the koran has been saying for the last 1430 years , namely:

    the verses of the trinity was thrown out of the bible because they are nowhere to be found in any ancient manuscript!! just what the koran says” O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK DO NOT SAY ANYTHING OF GOD EXCEPT THE TRUTH, YOUR LORD IS ONE LORD, DO NOT SAY TRINITY, IT IS A BLASPHEMY YOU UTTER AGAINST GOD, STOP IT” ETC .

    now if the trinity was thrown out of the bible as fabrication because it was interpolated by someone to make you believe something untrue you christians have a big problem, if jesus was not the son of god as you claim, then there was no crucifixion for redemption for your sins, do you not see that??? saint paul told you clearly, if jesus is not crucified or risen from the dead ,your faith is vain and preaching is vain! we muslims say that is true, because it never happened.

    there is no gospel on the face of the earth which has the trinity in it from ancient times says your scholars, so why do you have it in the bible when these verse are nowhere to be found in any gospel mr jackson?
    there can be no error in interpretation because there was nothing to interprete, this is pure devilishness of the bible writers in history to make you believe and to worship a man(acts 2:22) instead of god the creator!

    these are a few proofs i offer mr jackson, according to your scholars there are more then 50,000 errors in the bible. i as a muslim want you to tell us muslims what have your scholars taken out of the bible since its inception and added in to make you believe in falsehood?

    please tell us clearly here for all to see and read, also tell us muslims where is the gospel of jesus? he did not have mark,luke,matthew and john under his arm while he preached the good news in palestine in his lifely sojourn!

  • mr dean , do the world a favour and bring the translated gospel by prophet mohammed pbuh wife maria,as you quote it, it would appear you have read it and have it.
    all bibles published after 1981 had a footnote in it stating that the most ancient manuscripts do not have any reference to the trinity verses in any gospel currently available to christian scholars. it was in 1981 that most new bibles published put back the verses of the trinity because your crusaders perverting people into worshipping a man instead of the father in heaven as jesus taught, could not preach without theses verse as i pointed out earlier.
    it was to accomodate them it was put back into the bible for preaching purposes for missionarys, after all you got to give the fish what they like to eat to catch them,and fools to hear what they wish to hear even though it is false.
    but worse still for you mr jackson, your scholars also took out the word BEGOTTEN son of god from the bible, because it was nowhere to be found in any ancient gospels, this word was an interpolation, an adulteration to make you believe something falsely by the roman world steeped in idolatry at that time.
    today the christian world has so many bibles over 3500 sects alone in america and they bibles are different, for example the roman catholics have 73 books of the bible , the protestants have 66 books in the bible. so as a muslim it would be fair to ask mr jackson which is the true bible from god? the roman catholic one or protestant one? or the jehovahs witness one?
    go to youtube mr jackson, type in IS JESUS GOD LECTURE BY AHMAD DEEDAT it has all the references you require from your scholars about what you believe and what they have been doing to the bible from time immemorial, adding in taking out,changing, and misleading people.
    In human terms if a will and last testament is changed by anyone it becomes void under law of the land, here you have the book of god you claim, which has been tampered with, changed, adulterated, the names of the people changing it are listed , king james for example and you believe it is still the word of god from day one???

    please mr jackson, we live in an enlightened world and knowledge is freely available to who wrote the bible and why and for what purpose by a michael freiman from harvard university i believe , read it, if you dare!

    lastly if you purchase 4 books published in the late 18th century by a maulana kairanvi called meezan ul haqq (truth revealed) he did a study of your bible and he lists from the book of genesis onwards what has been changed, altered,taken out or adulterated from the bible upto the early 19th century after that listen to the lecture i listed and you will get a glimpse of whats going on with your religious book and current changes being,has been made. i have a bible at home from the 18th century, it lists many,many verses which are no longer extant in the bible which i can provide to you if you so wish!
    the gospels at nicea were made uniform to make people believe in the godhead of jesus which was opposed by unitarians like us muslims by constantine, the christian roman catholic church then declared war on all unitarians in the world and massacred them by the tens of millions in europe,north africa and other places.(read rise and fall of the roman empire by gibbons the master historian recording these events)
    it is worth noting that the pope has apologised to the jews for the crimes against them by christians but he has never apologised to the muslims in anyway whatsoever for the inquisition or other atrocitys against muslims in the world.
    the holy ghost was with zakaria or john the baptist in his mothers womb records your bible, was that a different holy ghost then jesus had?

    to muslim sthe holy ghost is the archangel gabriel who brings revelation to gods messengers on earth!

  • i like to thank kawthar salam for letting me share some of our views and teachings with christians and others, i do not mean to offend anyone, anything i quote is from christian scholars of the highest eminence and our holy books. please do not be offended as i am only reasoning with you all readers as the bible commands “COME AND LET US REASON ABOUT GOD”. and in that reasoning we can be closer to each other and understand one another, but you can believe what you wish,there is no compulsion in religion!

  • mr jackson, generally when i talk to christians, they seem to talk a language not of this world and understand what is not there!
    i have stated that your christian scholars revised the king james bible in 1971 and took out the verses of the trinity, and begotten son of god(john 3:16), plus a host of others and published it as the revised standard version of the bible which you can buy today. because the missionarys preached against this revision which is factual historically, the publishers put back these deleted verses in 1981 and in a footnote they always state that the verses are not in any gospels of any ancient manuscripts currently held by christendom!
    if you as a christian have any issues with this take it up with the 50 churches and highest christian eminent scholars who did this work in 1971. someone is leading you by the nose up the garden path and that someone is not a muslim or god!

    you quote so much from the old testament to validate your belief, now tell me, in the book of isaiah god says clearly:

    i cannot see any trinity there mr jackson. further in book of ezekiel god says:


    do you accept that mr jackson?

    in human law we cannot accept that you can be guilty for my sins and yet the whole christian world is made to believe that somehow jesus must pay for adams sin which is against justice of god and your bible states that is untrue?

    the above quotations state clearly every soul must pay for its own sins and that god almighty is one and not 3 which islam in practice and belief!

    jesus also told you christians the same when someone asked him how to get to heaven, he did not say that wait i am going to die for you , he said clearly and i quote:

    what you have to state clearly to us muslims mr jackson is that the verses i quoted from your bible are not true and that you know better, and also that jesus was lying when he said that you have to keep the commandments of god to get to heaven and you are wiser then jesus?

    also you have never answered any of the questions i posed before, i would like some answers please.

    i await your reply diligently.

  • mr jackson i will give you teh references shortly as to who removed the trinity from the bible and other verses pertaining to jesus being god accroding to you!
    one correction i have to make is that the book i mentioned regarding ongoing alterations in the bible is called IZHAR UL HAQQ ( truth revealed)by maulana kairanvi and not MEEZAN UL HAQQ.

    mr jackson its your christian scholars who state quite clearly that there is no such thing as trinity in the bible, the closest was verse from book of mark: FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN AND THESE THREE ARE ONE,THE FATHER, THE WORD AND HOLY GHOST” these verses have been expunged from the 1971 revised standard version of the bible as being false and interpolated.

    why do you not go and buy a 1971 revised standard bible and match it with king james version pre 1971 and see for yourself!

    you are the only christian i have ever come across who believes that jesus was the essence of god???

    what is this essence?

    all your doctors of divinty state clearly that jesus is the only begotten son of god, literally and not in essence.

    even that statement is wrong. jesus was not the only son of god says your bible! for example:




    mr jackson a son of god only means a righteousness person in the bible not what you claim!

    why can jesus not be what he claimed? a prophet sent to the lost sheep of the house of israel?
    who are still lost after rejecting him for 2000 years, when he comes back they will accept him or die, its as simple as that!

    WHEN YOU SAY JESUS WAS BEGOTTEN NOT MADE, what you are saying is that god INCARNATED into the world, the one and only time according to you!

    the HINDU is more charitable, he has INCARNATIONS of the lord by the millions throughout history. do you believe in them mr jackson considering your belief is the same as the hindus???

    god almighty does not incarnate, he sends messengers he choses to us and jesus stated very clearly that to you christians in case you made an error and falsely make him into something he was not:

    THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL,THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS WHOM YOU HAVE SENT: this is a relationship between a sender (GOD) and his messenger jesus.

    we say that everyday mr jackson when we muslims state clearly our creed: THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MOHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER”


    there is no god but god and jesus is his messenger.

    the word Allah seems to stick in christians mouths as if they have uttered something reprehensible, and yet you mention it everyday in adoration of god himself.

    for example,when you say HALLE LU JAH. we say the same thing as muslims like this YA ALLAH HU in arabic.

    what it means is OH ALLAH YOU ARE WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE, same as the meaning HALLELUJAH.
    in the east we put the YA at the beginning of our sentence, in the west you put it at the end. if you were to say it in arabic you would say like this ALLAH LU YA, the h sound is your pronunciation dialect of your language.

    i note again that you have not answered any of my questions mr jackson, i have pointed out to you references and verses from your bible yet you overlook them because you have a set idea and thats what you wish to believe in which is your choice, but that belief is against the teachings of jesus pbuh totally!
    as regards the crucifixion it never happened says your bible!!! jesus did not rise on the 3rd day says the bible or die at all!


    every christian on earth says jesus fulfilled this prophecy which is not true because, according to the bible, jesus was allegedly crucified on friday afternoon, by sunset he was taken down and put into the tomb with 200 pounds of medicants around him. on sunday morning mary magdalene goes to the tomb and sees it empty and starts to cry, jesus is watching her disguised as a gardner (says your bible) do resurrected bodys come back as gardners mr jackson??
    jesus asks her, woman whom seekst thou, why weepest thou??
    mary says, sir tell me where you have laid him that i might take him away!
    mr jackson how can a woman take away a body weighing over 350 pounds in weight with the medicants?
    anyway jesus says to her MARY, she knew staright away that it was the master and runs to embrace him, he stops her and says , woman handle me not as i have not ascended onto my father! in eastern expressions it means that any woman cannot touch any man she is not married to or is not related to and jesus being a messenger of god would never tolerate that!
    mr jackson jonah was thrown into a raging sea,was eaten by a fish, he prayed to god from the fish,s belly( do dead men pray mr jackson) for 3 days and nights afater which the fish vomits him onto a seashore near nineveh of old. in all that time mr jackson jonah never died, when jesus said i will be like jonah is that like jonah or unlike him according to you when you christians say jesus died?
    if its time factor you are looking at, it does not match what jesus said for example:
    friday night jeus was in tomb, saturday day in tomb, saturday night in tomb, sunday morning he was not there!

    this makes 2 nights and 1 day in tomb mr jackson not 3 days and 3 nights as jesus stated clearly, so shall we muslims believe you christians or jesus mr jackson???
    are you telling the truth or jesus?

    st paul warned you clearly mr jackson, IF JESUS IS NOT RISEN FROM THE DEAD, OUR FAITH IS VAIN AND OUR PREACHING IS VAIN, and we muslim say that too because what you are practicing is opposite to what jesus himself taught and what the bible teaches about individual sin and redemption!

    if i was a christian, i would take my chances with what jesus said to get heaven and not by people who were not his disciples at any time!

  • mr jackson, i have figured, listened and learnt about all faiths in my studys. did you know that whatever the christian is made to believe today was initially the doctrine of NIMROD the enemy of god???

    in his time, he married his own mother queen semiramis and stated he was born miraculously and that he would die for the sins of the world and be resurrected!!

    did you know that mr jackson, his teaching went all over the world!
    in scandinavia he was known as BALDER(the son) AND HIS MOTHER AS FRIGGA.

    the romans knew him as diana and her son (forgot his name)

    IN INDIA HE WAS KNOWN AS ISHI AND ISHWAR, mother and son again.
    in south america you must be familiar with the black madonna and child?

    this son of god business was instituted by nimrod which your bible records and history too, i can give so many references but i urge you to check up on the teachings of nimrod the master magician and see what is the difference in todays version of christianity and his!

    i wish you peace mr jackson , wassalam!

  • Katherine

    John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father Who Sent Me draws him, and I Will raise him up in the last day.

    My intention is not to cause or provoke hostility towards anyone by this post.

    Dear Abubaqar,

    I can tell by the sincerity in your posts that you are a person who is in search of the truth as I was and am. I never believed in Lord Jesus Christ. I had friends who were Christians. They talked about Him all of the time. They had good intentions, but everything they said went in one ear and out the other. I was indifferent. I believed in God, however and did pray to Him.

    What happened to me, is exactly what happened in the above verse; John 6:44. It is only by our Father that the Revelation of Lord Jesus Christ will be possible. The Truth is not complicated but of course mankind has made God’s Pure and Simple Truth so unbelievably complicated. And I think that’s so sad.

    So, for my entire life, I had no belief in Lord Jesus Christ, even though I went to a Catholic school and went to church (until I was fifteen.) Nothing registered, that is until the Father in Heaven brought Lord Jesus Christ to me not even six years ago. And it all coincided with the deliberate dehydration/starvation of Terry Schiavo in March of 2005.

    You wrote:
    “so as a muslim it would be fair to ask mr jackson which is the true bible from god? the roman catholic one or protestant one? or the jehovahs witness one?”

    All of us would agree that this world is in utter chaos; deeply engulfed in violence of every sort. Why? Many believe in taking part in worldly politics and mankind-made-mankind-run governments. We trust people to “get us out of” this or that problem however big or small even though we are responsible for all the problems we want fixed. This is not logical.

    According to God, (Scripture following) the Creator of all people, we should go to Him and Him only for our tutelage and be Approved by Him. Only God Is Able to Teach us and approve us; not mere mankind.

    Whether they be of governments and especially of those who are the ones running the “religious” institutions etc. All religions/branches/denominations; those who have gone to bible college, seminary or any other such kind of place.

    These places are set up, paid tuition to and taught by mere people; the creation, and not Taught directly, One to one by the CREATOR. When we study, allowing God to show us Who He Is, will keep us from being led into deception by mankind.

    John 5:39-40 “You search the Scriptures because you believe they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to Me! Yet you refuse to come to Me so that I can give you this Eternal Life.

    According to God, we have to let go of ourselves and humble ourselves before Him, understanding by ourselves we know nothing. The entire of Scripture tells us this. But remember, God Tells us all these things for our own good, not to lord anything over us, as does mankind always does.

    God tells us that Christians should never do that. (Yet many do.)

    Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. “Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. “And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave. “just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.

    Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to Himself and said to them, “You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. “Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. “And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all. “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.
    We are born under sin.

    God Will take that away and Teach us if, we, with all of our heart and being, grieve because of sins we’ve committed and ask for Him and Him only to Forgive us, Teach and Guide us into all Truth.

    He Made us but, listening to the titled ones, you would think they know better than God. Not quite. They speak the One True God’s Name in vain. They’ve taken His Holy things, and dishonor and contaminate them. They create their own little god; made after themselves, by themselves. Many of these titled ones teach greed; the prosperity message, and every other sort of ungodliness. Many give only a portion of what they collect; or rather solicit from their congregation, give only a portion to the poor. The rest is up for grabs with them grabbing it. And why not. Many of them make their living off of God and His Holy Name.

    Should be: Acts 2:43-47 and Acts 4:34-37

    There is some truth in some of the things these people say, but it’s filled up with many other things that they’ve thought up themselves or learned from other person who does NOT know Truth.

    So, unless we are seek diligently and pray for the Holy Spirit, God, to Guide us, we will be led right into the ditch.

    God is Pouring out His Spirit onto all flesh. All flesh.

    Joel 2:28 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

    Act 2:17 ‘It will be in the last days, says God, That I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams.

    According to God, and this is key, we must want to know the truth; above all else. Even if the Truth upsets, and it will, our conditioning and the traditions of our upbringing whether they be religious, societal or educational. Be especially wary of whatever the titled ones from all branches and denominations of religion, world-wide have taught?

    This “clergy” system has NOT been set up and approved by God.
    Even if it goes against the majority.

    Truth has been, is and will be rejected by the majority.

    On a hireling or hired hand: those who make their living off their “sermons” from a pulpit; (above the people)

    pulpit Part of Speech: noun Definition: structure from which sermon is given Synonyms: desk, lectern, platform, podium, rostrum, soapbox, stage, stump

    He will gather His sheep.

    John 10:11-14 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who doesn’t own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the sheep, and flees. The wolf snatches the sheep, and scatters them.The hired hand flees because he is a hired hand, and doesn’t care for the sheep I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and I’m known by my own;

    All of John Chapter 6

    an excerpt: John 6:37-45 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. “For I Have Come down from Heaven, not to do My Own Will, but the Will of Him Who Sent Me. This is the Will of the Father who Sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. This is the Will of The One Who Sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in Him, should have Eternal Life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, “I Am The Bread which Came down from Heaven.” And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have Come down from Heaven’?” Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. [No one can come to me unless the Father Who Sent Me Draws him,] and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ [Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, Comes to Me.]

    Psalm 12:6-8 The words of the LORD are pure words, Like silver refined in a clay furnace, Purified seven times, .
    You WILL keep them, O LORD, You Shall Preserve Them, from this generation forever. The words of the LORD are flawless words, The wicked walk on every side, When what is vile is exalted among the sons of men.

    Psalm 138:2 I will bow down toward Your Holy Temple, And give thanks to your Name for Your Loving Kindness and for Your Truth; For You have Exalted Your Name and Your Word above all.

  • Katherine

    from May 1980

    Why when I called for a Jonah to call for repentance
    have you led My people into a merry time of dancing and singing,calling this “rejoicing”?

    Those who can rejoice when My Heart is sorely grieved
    can neither have My Mind nor My Heart.

    I called for a corporate Jonah who would understand the gravity of the situation I seek to reveal, a Jonah who would fear and tremble, and even run and hide at this understanding.
    But no such Jonah was to be found.

    So I gave My people a Measure of Authentication of My Word,
    and again renewed the foretaste of the powers of the age to come,
    that when the Word of the Gospel of Salvation is preached,
    there might be an accompanying testimony to the truth.

    Some of My servants have faithfully found and fulfilled their appointed ministries, and according to their own understanding have preached My Word with signs following.

    My Word is not now against these servants who have never lost sight of their calling, and constantly carry within their spirit a burden for the lost.

    But My Word is strongly against the leaders of popularistic charismatic activity,
    who have turned the operations of My Spirit into a popular cult,
    who have restrained the sackcloth and ashes from My people,
    and have called for a surfeit of feasting where fasting is needed.
    What will you say when My Gifts are Withdrawn?
    What will you do when the Prophetic Word generally ceases,
    when only the specially anointed prophets of the Most High
    have any Word from Me?

    How will you react when the Word
    which speaks of blessing, joy, and love is withheld,
    and when the Only True Word of the Lord speaks
    of Judgment, Tribulation and Persecution,
    when the Glory of the Mountain-top height
    is replaced by the lonely walk to a desolate hill-top bearing a cross?
    Will you then perceive My True Way and come that way alone with Me,
    or will you declare that a Satanic veil
    is stopping the blessing of the Lord coming through?
    My servants, I call you now to cease your work of renewal,
    to desist from further public ministry,
    to come aside and learn of Me and of My Ways whilst My Voice is still to be heard.
    Be willing to learn from those who have learned over many years
    that My Way is the Way of the Cross, and of the valley, and of the pit.
    Respond to My Word by joining with My faithful servants
    whom I AM calling together in these last days,
    for in them,
    and in them alone
    will My Word reside when the general Gifts are Withdrawn,
    and to them alone will men go for bread in the time of famine.

  • mr jackson and katharine, as a muslim i understand all that you write very clearly. mr jackson is the only person in my life who has told me that messiah means god incarnate!!

    in truth it means ” AN APPOINTED OF GOD, AMBASSADOR OF GOD,A PROPHET OF GOD,ONE CHOSEN FOR CONSECRATION TO AN OFFICE ” it does not mean a god incarnate! the bible records clearly that god consecrates cyrus a pagan king as his messiah to punish the rebellious jews of his time,
    no jew in history was ever looking for a god incarnate to come and deliver them from the roman bondage!
    they were looking for a prophet and king to come but before he came there would be TWO prophets of great renown in the world together before the advent of the last messenger says jewish prophecy recorded in the bible and i quote:
    jews have to realise that its only muslims who ever freed them from bondage under the romans, we have protected them for the last 1400 odd years in which they have lived in relative peace with us in all muslim lands. we never tortured,gassed,burnt them,put them into ovens or raped them wholesale or killed them like christians because they were jews. we have honoured them ,respected them,freed them and its all because of the last last messenger of god called mohammed pbuh!
    he is mentioned by name in the bible in the song of solomon chapter 15:5 i believe and i quote:
    the christian or jew can read the bible a million times and never realise who is the beloved of solomon pbuh he is singing about? why?
    because the christian world has translated the name of Mohammed pbuh in that verse as ALTOGETHR LOVELY! in every and all bibles in the world!

    prophet mohammed is mentioned by name in hindu,buddhist,christian and jewish scriptures by name and the zoroastrians, anyone doubting can check that up from teh english translations of they scriptures.
    for the hindus recently,one of the most prominent brahmins in india published a book called KALKI AVATAR which was checked by the most learned hindus in india consisting also of brahmins who verirfied that teh translations of the hindu holy book consisted of prophecys which were only fulfilled by the prophet mohammed pbuh!

    katharine did you know, that the book SHEPHERD OF HERMAS, was a book of the bible?
    HAVE YOU EVER READ THE GOSPEL OF ST BARNABAS? TRANSLATED BY LAURA RAGG OF OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS? these were books of the bible taken out by those wishing to keep the christians in the mode of belief they wanted them to be in which is contrary to the teachings of jesus pbuh!

    i have mentioned to you many things which you are free to check, i respect any ones belief however i can ask for proof of anyones claim to salvation based on they belief, that is fair?

    the koran says that jesus was only a messenger sent to the jews, who rejected him and uttered false grave charges against mary, anyone who believes that jesus is god or son of god is blasphemy against god and as such those people will enter into hellfire!

    love jesus,as a teacher, prophet, messiah etc, but worship god the father in heaven not a man walking in galilee, eating,drinking and going to the call of nature behind a rock etc.
    the roman pope used to sell his shit(no insult meant) to pilgrims in the vatican in the middle ages because they believed he was so holy that he was infallible, so everything about him was holy, they used to get a thumbful of his excreta in they mouths, hence the words HOLY SHIT.

    the pope can sell his shit to humans because they believe he is so holy and poor jesus( according mr jackson) who is god, could not even give it away in any form whatsoever!!!!!

    please i ask you all again , worship the father in heaven, not his creation of which we all are.
    inshallah i will post the information of omission of the trinity verse from the bible, and i say it again, IN ANY GOSPEL AVAILABLE TO CHRISTIANITY IN THE WORLD THERE ARE NO VERSES TO SUBSTANTIATE THE TRINITY IN ANY WAY OR FORM WHATSOEVER! thats why your scholars took them out because they were honest.

  • mr jackson, politics is a endless ocean. i stated very clearly that AS A WHOLE, THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS LIVED PEACEFULLY WITH MUSLIMS FOR OVER 1400 YEARS RELATIVELY!

    in that time there may have been incidences of murder and mayhem as you mentioned but did that equal 6 million dead as the jews claim in 1939-1945? or the 6 million dead they claim from 1914-1918 by christian europeans?

    if we muslims as a whole were intolerant as you claim, there would not be a single christian,jew,sikh or hindu in muslim lands we controlled for the last 1000 plus years as you know!

    yet today there are 14 million ARAB christians still after 1400 years in muslim lands, no one chopped they heads off! there are 100,s of thousands jews still in arab lands, no one harass,s them, the only harassment they get is by mossad who bombs them to create an atmosphere of fear so that they migrate to israel .

    lastly, more jews have been killed by jews then any muslim ever did in history in total——- and that is a fact!

    i would be very grateful to know what christian background you come from so that i can learn and inform you as necessary.

    peace to all believers!

  • Katherine

    Dear Abubaqar,

    I’m not a fancy writer or great orator, for sure. I guess I didn’t make this too clear; I deeply apologize. Jesus IS God; THE I AM THAT I AM. The Same from the old and new covenant.

    I wanted also to make this not vague: There IS NO trinity. THERE IS BUT ONE GOD. Thank you.

    I ask you: is anything so hard for God that HE cannot do it? What is difficult for God, The Almighty, The Only Almighty, to put on flesh and bones and walk among us? As Mr. Jackson wrote, and he’s correct, He did so in the OT.

    God is not a show-off like most of man/womankind is. He could be, but it’s not in His Character. Which is why HE Chose to become as we are.

    HE, The Almighty, as [not] a show-off; chose to be born in a animal’s manger, grow up poor, and HE, as the Holy King of all, entered Jerusalem, not decked out in splendor and jewels with slaves carrying his litter, but HE on a young donkey.
    That is an illustration of His Character.

    HIS WAY IS THE OPPOSITE of our way.

    So simple.

    So simple but, much of mankind, making things so ridiculously burdensome, troublesome and convoluted that many cannot believe this simplicity and others don’t follow His Example.

    Because kings and kingdoms, in our minds depict riches, jewels, splendorous clothes, the finest foods; the best of everything, many cannot wrap their minds around His Simplicity. And again, others; titled ones and [their] followers will not follow His Example leaving many to run away from God Who is Lord Jesus Christ.

    So, God, in the flesh, Lord Jesus Christ, is what HE wanted to do.

    Again, I never believed in Lord Jesus. As a matter of fact, I never gave Him thought at all, for most of my life. It just didn’t register with me.

    I never cracked open a bible until almost 6 yrs. ago. I was not interested in any of that.

    I only went to catholic church until I was fifteen. Once I was given a choice at 15 to go or not to go, I chose not to. I also didn’t make this too clear: the entire experience for me was dark, gloomy and such a waste of my time. As a matter of fact, I skipped church as often as I could and hung out behind a pharmacy smoking cigarettes. Just being honest.

    So, from that time until now, I’ve not gone to church. My point; nothing of the churchly world held any interest for me. Upon reflection, it seemed a strange world, full of people who just talked a talk but never exhibited His True Character.

    Anyway, yes, we definitely can believe whatever we want to.

    John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father Who Sent Me draws him, and I Will raise him up in the last day.

    +1Corinthian 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are Spiritually Discerned.
    1Corinthians 13:12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then Face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

    To the titled ones of today: JEREMIAH 23 EZEKIEL 34

  • mr jackson, the mufti of jerusalem was only playing the games of the westerners in using my enemys enemy is my friend!
    he found out what the jews were planning and had planned from 1897 at the conference of basle in switzerland for plaestine. as befits typical thieves they betrayed the palestinians for keeping them alive from christians killers in europe and gave them sanctuary in muslim lands.
    as history has proven mr jackson he had foresight and the jews have proved he was right in trying to protect his people from these rapacious wolves in sheeps clothing!

    when ideas are put into action resulting in millions of dead people knowingly then that is being devilish because the outcome is known prior. jewish communism has led to the deaths of nearly 400 million counted deaths around the world and on top of which it is a anti god faith idea!

    can you give us muslims a figure here of how many jews were killed by the utterances of the mufti of jerusalem and how many palestinians have been murdered by jews since israel was founded??
    what benefit have the palestinians had from israel in life,limb, property and security since its inception?

    you must have read of the jewish professor who wrote a book on the perversion carried out by the so called highly moral israeli defence forces who break little childrens bones while they were playing outside in their gardens from 4 years upwards? for no reason at all except to instill fear into them!
    the palestinians might not be able to defend themselves at the moment, i hope that you will be around when we muslims from the east come to pay you jews back from your crimes against humanity!
    if what you claim is true mr jackson, why are there still millions of jews alive in the arab countrys after the mufti,s call to murder them as you state even up to today?

    as regards the verse of the koran you quote, can you please tell me looking at our history, where exactly did muslims do this wholesale and forced conversions like the christians in spain under the inquisition?

    that verse deals with the unbelievers of prophet mohammeds time, who made agreements and broke them unilaterally when it suited them hence orders were given by god to fight them for peace and tranquility to reign, but notice that it says do not force them to accept faith under the sword!

    my memory is not selective, its very sharp, today the zionist jews are leading wars and killings worldwide and are the most deadly threat to the islamic world which we must and will counter, inshallah!

    if you have any doubt about whats going to happen to israel then read the prophecys of nematallah shah wali by googling his name from 900 years ago or from the prophet mohammed pbuh, as the jews say, the writing is on the wall for them, not because we hate them but for the mountains of wickedness they perpetrate on the innocents in palestine and the world for which they must be held to account———only the muslims will do this!

  • mr jackson, the earth is Allahs and he is master of all, the borders you keep referring to were created by the western christians to keep muslims and peoples divided so that they can rule by proxy, which is very clear everywhere!

    if your heart bleeds to give the jews a national home with jusitice then it is an injustice that you rob the palestinians for the jews, why do you not give a state in america , a part of europe to them??

    after all you christians did a great evil and injustice to them for the last 2000 years they claim!

    i am asking you again why do the palestinians have to pay for your crimes against the jews as they claim?

    now that the jew has taken the holy land by force and subterfuge, he will be driven out by force, we muslims stand by those jews who have lived in peace with us for the last 1430 odd years and still do like the naturi karta , in between as you know, the christians came murdering,killing,raping, robbing, to the holy land with their crusades for 1000 years, did they do this in the spirit of meekness as jesus taught mr jackson? or were your kind evil at heart so that even jews and christians, muslims , babes were murdered by you lot, the barbaric european hordes?

    genocide is only when it is committed, exactly where did the muslims do genocide to the jews which they are doing today to the palestinians?

    instead of broadcasting propaganda for the jewish lies , tell us here plain for all to see some facts, how did the palestinians do this genocide you mentioned?

    islam says that the innocent cannot pay for the guilty for they sins, any jew ,christian,hindu,sikh or buddhist who wars on muslims is our enemy, its as simple as that. those jews,christians,hindus,sihks,buddhists who wish to live in peace with us are our allies.

    everywhere in areas where muslims live they have different issues to contend with, a mufti issues a fatwa it is only due to the pressing needs of his peoples security, welfare and faith. the jews have proved again and again that the mufti of jerusalem was right in saying what he did, if this was incorrect then why are the palestinians dispossessed? and refugees in they own homeland?

    if your feelings are so deep for these thieving vermin from russia and eastern european countrys, then take them to your countrys and gave them what they want, we muslims do not need they crap or they kind living with us!

    we only reached that decision because the israeli jews have refused all peace since inception, caused endless wars with they plotting and planning aganst all neighbouring countrys, have stated no borders in line with U.N resolutions and yet wish the palestnians to recognise them as a jewish state?
    what a load of balloonie,only a christian fool can be easily fooled by this trash,s lies and deceit. they do not want peace or good neighbourliness, they have other designs and will follow them thorugh till we destroy them once and for all including they helpers as is foretold in our theology!

    please answer my question from previous posts which you have cleverly overlooked mr jackson!

  • mr jackson, whatever papers you allude to are maybe historical, great britain was always a trouble maker state in the world, wherever it ruled it always left problems inresolvable for those areas , like in kashmir for example, or in the sultanate of the karen in burma.
    they were liars par excellence and still are, exactly which palestinian leaders were allowed to make decisions on they peoples behalf??
    to have got what you state would have been better for all arabs whose foolish silly leaders believed in the false promises of the european jews and christians, they will never do anything to unite this area or its people.
    today you have a classic case where the palestinian authority is unelected,unrepresentative of the palestinians, its leaders are thugs and robbers and yet the western world gives it legitimacy because it serves they purpose not the palestinians!
    the opposition to fatah was elected fairly said president carter, so why do not the democratic peace loving well wishing westerners and the jews talk to elected officials??

    currently , its the jewish zionists and agents in the world demonizing us muslims and they committ horrible crimes against civilians to blame muslims worldwide!
    i have to salute those jews,muslims,christians who are truthful and tell the real truth of whats going on so that innocent people can become aware to help change for the better for all!

    you have forgot to mention the sykes-picot agreement, which was made without any palestinian representation, yet every zionist jews holds it as legal! its only good for toilet paper mr jackson!

    i find it hard to believe that arabs would ask for a caliphate when there was one already there under the turks?
    and on that point i like to state that the arabs have never claimed the caliphate at all since 1923 when it was abolished by the wetsern forces under britain!

    no mr jackson, the people you are talking about are what you call quislings, they do not represent the arab on the street, only the familys of each other who showed themselves to be traitors to they people again and again since the abolishment of the caliphate. they are traitors to those they claim to represent and to the faith they adhere to!
    all this is good news for those who only promote corruption,dictatorships,tyranny worldwide like the jewish zionists and western counterparts, i mean have you ever heard of america, france, britain helping democracy anywhere in the world where tyrants rule??
    egypt is a case in question and saudi arabia, pakistan, to name but a few countrys. in chile they got rid of mr allende who was democratically elected and installed a tyrant dictator, papa doc duvalier in haiti, etc etec etc ad nauseum!
    are these the people who will justice to anyone or show fairness mr jackson?

    is it any wonder that your bible states that the devil is the ruler of this world! he has plenty of people of faiths and colours to do his bidding it seems.

    anyway, as the chinese say, the yin will become yang sometime in an endless cycle, today we are all under the yin(negative cycle) when imam mahdi and jesus pbuh returns we will see what happens to these devilish rulers and co- horts, i hope you will be around to see it mr jackson and me!

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